David Lammy: The old world order isn't coming back

What happens when US Vice President Vance goes drinking with Angela Rayner & David Lammy?

The Deputy Prime Minister and Justice Secretary knows America better than probably anyone else around the cabinet table. And in this interview he reflects at length on the state of the world and the significance of the US president's Greenland threats.

David Lammy gives an impassioned defence against critics who question his friendship with Vice President J D Vance and reflects on his life's journey from Tottenham to Harvard.

He also discusses the ongoing row over jury trial reforms, potential upcoming by-elections, and Keir Starmer government's storytelling.

Senior Producer: Daniel Kraemer

Producer: Flora Murray

Sound: Hal Haines and Chris Murphy

Editor: Giles Edwards