Bruce's Legacy

It a wonder that no one mentions Tom Johnston's 'Social history of the Working Class of Scotland' and his assertion , intriguing, that the Bruce merely completed the Norman Conquest of Scotland

Bruce was no more bloody than the English. I am of Scottish blood but live in Cornwall another Celtic Nation who wish for their independence. I hope Scotland achieves her ambition to become a free nation again, and Wales is included in my sentiments. The Great British Raj was all too keen to invade other nations.

i agree

Oh, the ENGLISH are fine ones to talk about "bloody war" after the massacre of Berwick and massive executions.

Does the end result of a free Scotland justify Bruce's bloody means of achieving it? yes is it now that we are United kingdom that believes in war? no hope the queen goes to hell along with her dim wit family

a monumental yes- the fact his heart was taken from his dead body and the Black Douglas his rent collector in england took it on a crusade because Bruce asked it of him - The Bruce was the greatest king ever born -the Back Douglas -is revered-in Andalucia Spain as he died fighting muslim invaders in Spain he threw bruces heart which was in a casket in a last act of defiance the Andalucians recovered the casket

I cannot learn anything from your website because the videos state " not available in your area" when I click them on. It's great history, but as you said, there are a lot of questions that go unanswered due to lack of sufficient records.

- BBC Scotland Moderator - Hi John, unfortunately due to copyright reasons the video content is only available to vistors of the site in the UK.

Dave, Lanarks, in fact, how many of our identities have been highjacked by people trying to subvert free discussion on these sites? The culling of free speech and forthrightness is what our country's all about now, starting off at the top, with government. Let 'em have Brown and his cronies back, maybe.

Dave, Lanarks, some cheap whit has highjacked my identity in the last post under my name, reference the "pete-rhyl" thing. Isn't he funny? I tried to respond a few times to the Glasgow Croat guy,but none got posted. I wonder why? I'm packing in with this site now because it's hopeless trying to get a point accross

Vote for Welsh assembly in Cardiff
Yes 44.4% No 55.6%

Gian Deganini Sorry for upsetting you,pal,just trying to make a point.Hope you think about it,but you probably won't.Too stuck in your ways. What part of Scotland are you from,anyway?

Hush KC! don't tug at my sleeve while I've got Dave in a headlock, lol. So Dave could the Scottish run their own country? Watch your step boyo, is this a calculated question or just a straight forward query? Are you thinking a couple of questions in advance? See that's were you're a step or two ahead of me..... (Or are you?)

Cardiff din't vote fo welsh nationalism.

Blimey Dave calm down to a riot, you'll do yourself a mischief mate. Now why you getting all emotional? Goodness you're giving it freedom fighters and allsorts! You've found stuff 'offensive in the extreme'- nice little turn of English there. You've labeled yourself a common grunt and not as intelligent as
myself! Well that's a given, haha. Just having a laugh Dave, don't do yourself down like that, that's why it's said you couldn't run your own country. Well look at UK! lol. You think you can run Scotland?

Gian Deganini/Pete Rhyl Also, do I detect a slight Scottish accent there?Locus??? Youse?????

Gian Deganini/Pete Rhyl Sorry to miss the play on words-ingenious. I'm just a common grunt- not as intelligent as you-who has been involved, very sadly,in the results of the unspeakable acts of 'freedom fighters'.I find your post re. Croatia, N.Ireland etc., if fabricated, offensive in the extreme.I will always maintain that nationalism is a creed of hatred.It cannot exist without a perceived 'enemy'.

Dave-Lanarks.
Didn't you read my comment? I said I'd packed up burnt bodies, also spoke of loonies firebombing houses in Wales. What's my name & locus? pete, rhyl = petrol. Come on Dave thought you'd be quicker than that, lol. Devil's Advocate. Tell you what, your pitch on ALL nationalists being racist looks a bit shoogly when you see the SNP have been attacking Scots for well over a decade now for their country's ills. i.e. New Labour- G.Brown, Darling, D.Browne, Murphy & MANY more!! (UK Govt) not England!

Dave you subjugated Caledon. Heel! bit of respect for your British overlords lol. Why is oil so different or important? It's not to us (Cymru), but it is to our English brethren over the border down here in Britannia. That's why they've found it neccesary to pull "the wool" over your eyes up there for the last 35 years with the usual "the oil's about to run out up there, yous best stick it out with us, lol."
If you read that piece on your, erm our (British, lol) oil, you'd see the man advising/ TO NEXT PAGE

Glan Deganini Cardiff,GB.The coalfields of Britain were the coalfields of Britain.North Sea fisheries, international trade,agriculture[ mostly from the more productive southern counties of England] industry from Central Scotland,North of England,Birmingham, South Wales,all belong to and benefit the whole of these Isles.What's so different about oil? Oh, and you can call me "Scotch" if you like, although it was altered to"Scots" in the 19th cent.Love to hear from the unreal Pete Rhyl.

Dave, Lanarks. You're on a history page but have a preoccupation with present day politics in your country, you say you're against nationalism so I'd imagine you've an interest in politics & being Scotch I'd deduce you'd vote New Labour. Tell you what, tap into the BBC newspage & do a search on "Anger at advice to stop oil claim", have a read at what successive UK governments have been doing to your country
since 1975, then come back & tell me what your political persuasion is. PS: Pete Rhyl's not real! lol

Pete, Rhil. I salute you, mate. You have had to deal with the results of ethnic cleansing, nationalism and other extreme politics. You have seen and had to deal with the results of these abominable policies. Time is a great healer,mate, and in time it won't be so bad. I was at Lockerbie. I still get the shakes. Not as badly now. Anyway,hope you are well and out of that line of business. I despise racism and nationalism.

kc, England Scottish voting results do not show who the people of Scotland support as only around half of the country actually uses the vote. Most people i talk to support independence but in a poll on who would vote for it the result was 50/50. The truth is until the SNP gets more people into voting and broadcasts the benefits of independence the future of Scotland lies in the hands of the few.

Yes Hitler was a Nationalist and he was a genocidal killer but that does not mean every nationalist is like that. I for one am a nationalist, I love my country (Scotland) but I also respect other nations. I believe in independence as the union of Great Britain was not democratic. There were widespread protests throughout Scotland at the time and there was no vote the people had no say in the matter. I also am angered by the fact that Scotland makes up so much of Britains annual GDP with her oil but recieves less than half of the money she puts in back ! It is high time for a referendum if the people say no fair enough but until then Britains control over Scotland remains foreign occupation in my mind.

Bruce won the right to rule Scotland, recognised by his people and by Europe as a whole.

Scotland wasn't Wales, three quarters of which was conquered by Edward I and ruled by Anglo Normans when he eventually took the rest.

In Scotland Edward failed to recognise the danger of Scoto Normans, people who defended Scotland, along with the majority of Gaelic Lords.

Bruce was of Gaelic stock, (his mum) and was 8 generations on from Norman beginnings.

Kc, yes the SNP are the only party that properly represent Scotland and I couldn't give 2 hoots what New Labour or Lord Haw Haw do. "The majority of the electorate also vote SNP". So stick that in your pipe & smoke it. There are roughly 9 English accented MSPs out of 47 & probably more by birth. And could I ever see an English born PM or FM in Sco? Could you ever see a black man being president of the USA? We know Gordon Browns unelected, have England ever elected a Scots speaking Scot as PM? Dont think so!